Q&A: Matteo asks about the Leica M (type 240).

Inspiration, Q&A, Teaching point

Matteo writes:

“Dear Peter,

I hope all is well with you!

Finally this 2013 is going to an end… I’ve spent this year mostly in London, with little time for photography.

Far from home and committed to work, I’ve been having a hard time developing my ‘artistic’ side.

However, in a strong effort to keep my eyes trained, I’ve dedicated a bit of time to explore film and rangefinder photography.

Now I’m thinking to jump into digital again (time and flexibility are the main reasons), but I have to save a bit before getting a new camera.  I’m very interested in hearing a little more from you about your experience with the new M240.  It seems you don’t consider it on par (sensor wise) with the new [Sony] Alpha7R and Nikon Df, and I’m curious about that.  I’m still a bit puzzled about the available options, as I never had the chance to test extensively an M9 or any of these new models. I think I will stick to film for a little more 🙂 .

—Matteo”

Thank you very much Matteo for writing.

Well, it turns out I may have an opinion about the Leica M240… 🙂

As many of the readers of Prosophos.com know, I’ve written much about it:

…And I have even written an open letter to Leica asking for an updated CCD sensor on a future Leica M model.  So far, over 130 individuals have signed it.

However, to answer your question in a concise manner, I’ll note three things I don’t appreciate about the Leica M240 sensor:

  1. Colour signature The native Leica M240 colour signature is suboptimal for skin tones, and one has to constantly fight against the default settings to achieve acceptable results.
  2. Colour Tonality Colour transitions are rendered more coarsely by the M240 vs. the M9.  The M9 renders tones in a more subtle and delicate fashion.
  3. Microcontrast Although the M240 sensor (24 MP) will objectively out-resolve the Leica M9 sensor (18 MP) at 100% magnification, the M240 files as a whole are more “muddy” and “flat” as compared to the more “crisp” and “3D”-like images generated by the M9See here for two examples (see various photo-sharing sites, photography fora, and generally the entire internet for more 🙂 …).

As for the Nikon Df and Sony A7/A7R, they are not rangefinder cameras, and so obviously cannot provide the rangefinder experience, which is important to me.   Also, being CMOS sensor cameras, they cannot equal the M9 in Points #2 and #3 above.

That’s basically it.  I hope that answers your question Matteo.

Sincerely,

—Peter.

[Incidentally, Matteo has submitted several images to me that will be featured in a not-too-distant Guest Post.]

Leica M9 still reigns supreme.

Inspiration, Q&A, Teaching point

Leica M9 still reigns supreme

It’s nearing the end of 2013, and the Leica M9/M-E/Monochrom with the venerable CCD sensor continues to provide the best image quality at base ISO in the 35mm (36 x 24) sensor class.

As predicted here.

The Leica M (Type 240) cannot touch it, the Nikon Df comes close, and so does the Sony A7/A7R… but none of these CMOS sensor cameras can equal it.

Don’t believe me?  Please research it for yourself.

And let’s not even mention the whole rangefinder experience, which these other cameras (with the exception of the Leica M240) lack.

So…

If you haven’t already done so, please consider signing my open letter to Leica.

Prosophos Open Letter to Leica

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The M9 and CCD sensor, revisited.

Inspiration, Q&A, Teaching point

m9-sensor-revisited prosophos

As I scanned some of the other photography sites late this evening, and read several initial user reports on Sony‘s new A7 and A7R 35mm interchangeable cameras, I noticed more and more people are conceding that my prediction on September 15, 2012, on the eve of the release of the Leica M240 was true: the M9 and its CCD sensor would prove to be superior at base ISO than any CMOS offering.

Unfortunately, holding this opinion and stating it publicly — repeatedly — has probably strained my relationship with Leica.  Hopefully they’ll eventually come around to seeing my efforts as constructive.  I am, after all, an enthusiast who only photographs with Leica rangefinders and lenses.

Back to the point:  is it any wonder that in June of this year I declared my camera of the year for 2013 to be the Leica M9?  As crazy as it was for me to do, I’m sticking by it.

It’s still not too late to sign My Open Letter to Leica😉 .

—Peter.

Open letter to Leica: over 100 signatures (so far)…

Inspiration, Leica M Type 240, Q&A, Teaching point

Prosophos Open Letter to Leica

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Many of you prefer the rendering of the Leica M9 CCD sensor over the M240 CMOS sensor at low ISO values, and have consequently signed My Open Letter to Leica.  For those who haven’t, please consider doing so if you want to advocate for an updated CCD sensor in a future M model.

Thank you,

—Peter.

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My Current Equipment (updated).

Inspiration, Leica 24mm Summilux ASPH f/1.4, Leica 50mm Summilux ASPH f/1.4, Leica M Monochrom (CCD Lives!), Q&A

Having sold my Leica M240, I have been trying to re-build my kit with my preferred rangefinder — the Leica M9.

Here is my current equipment list.

It’s short.

—Peter.

Leica M9P:

Found one with only 305 shutter actuations.  I’ve never owned a “P” version of the M9 before (I didn’t want to pay the premium for cosmetic differences), but this one was in like-new condition and was functioning perfectly — which is important to me — so I grabbed it without hesitation.

Prosophos-Leica M9P Silver

Leica M9:

This M9 had 2037 shutter actuations and was in mint(-) condition.  Unfortunately, when it arrived I discovered that it was front-focusing by about 6 cm!  This was a problem, since I had ordered it from the US and it would be a hassle to return it (reclaiming customs fees, loss of some of the refund money in the currency conversion, etc.).  So, I ended up adjusting the rangefinder myself, and after much trial-and-error it is focusing beautifully.

Prosophos - Leica M9 Black

Leica 50mm Summilux ASPH:

I had purchased this after selling off the black version I had.  That black version was the best-performing 50mm Summilux ASPH I’ve ever used, and I’ve used about 8 of them (yes, there is sample variation).  This particular silver copy is not bad, but it’s not quite as sharp at f/1.4 as my previous lens (I’m kicking myself for selling that one…).

prosophos-leica-50-summilux-asph-silver1

Leica 24mm Summilux ASPH:

This is the exact 24mm Summilux ASPH lens I previously owned, and subsequently sold.  I was lucky to get it back.  It’s one of the best wide-angles I’ve ever used, and is currently my favourite M wide angle lens (and I’ve pretty much tried them all).

Prosophos - Leica 24mm Summilux

That’s it!

If I’m discussing gear, you know the light has been poor here and I’ve barely had a chance to photograph.  I should probably “shut down” Prosophos.com for the winter, but I’ll try to keep things moving.

—Peter.

Announcement: All November profits at SBG to go to Philippines relief.

Inspiration, Q&A

SBG Relief

The Stephen Bartels Gallery, will be donating all of its profits from print sales in November to aid individuals devastated by the recent massive storm in the Philippines.

And, if anybody purchases one of my prints at SBG, I’ll donate all of my proceeds too.

—Peter.

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UPDATE:  We are getting some sales: 

Prosophos Print for Typhoon Relief

Remember:  100% of the profit will be donated to the relief fund.

Thank you,

—Peter.

A strange thing happend today with my Leica CCD poll…

Q&A, Teaching point

For several weeks now, I’ve been running a poll, asking:

“Should Leica bring back a new CCD sensor in a future M model?”

Since the poll’s inception, the majority of votes have been for “Yes“.

In fact, the “Yes” vote has been consistent at 62%, with the remainder of the votes split equally between “No” and “Don’t Care“.

Well, today there was a sudden spike in traffic to Prosophos.com and now the results look very different, with the “Yes” and “No” votes split almost equally.

Hmmm….

I had intended to write an open letter to Leica, once the votes exceeded a thousand, requesting they pursue advancements in CCD technology for future M cameras.

Now it seems, somebody has intervened….

Nonetheless, I’ll continue to ask the question:

—Peter.

Guest Post: M240, M9 sample images.

Guest Post, Inspiration, Leica M Type 240, Q&A, Teaching point

A reader, Marc H., has provided the sample images below.

[Please note:  This is not a scientifically rigorous comparison.  Marc has generously provided these for your benefit.  Any disrespectful comments will automatically be deleted.]

Marc writes:

“While I still had both bodies (M9 and M240), I took a walk around Frankfurt and shot random stuff, just to see how they both render and how the color translates. I set both to the same ISO values,  f stop, white balance is auto.  The pics themselves are nothing special, but interesting to see how they render.  Both used 50mm asph lenses. “

Here are Marc’s samples

(please click on the image to view at MAXIMUM size)

Comparison 1:

M9 vs M240 - 1

Comparison 2:

M9 vs M240 - 2

Thank you Marc, for providing these.

—Peter.

Unscientific (M240 vs. M9).

Inspiration, Leica 35mm Summicron ASPH f/2, Leica M Type 240, Portrait, Q&A, Teaching point, Voigtländer 40mm f/1.4 Nokton

Please don’t write to me and tell me this comparison is not scientifically valid —  I’ve named this post Unscientific for a reason.

I will, however, acknowledge that the M240 was at a significant ISO disadvantage vs. the M9.

However, low light shooting is the main reason I bought the M240.

Perhaps those with better post-processing skills could have done better with the M240 file.

Despite my best efforts, I couldn’t.

—Peter.

Unscientific (M240 vs. M9 Prosophos comparison)

About the M240… the image quality is a step down.

Inspiration, Q&A, Teaching point

Yes, the image quality of the Leica M (type 240) is a step down from the Leica M9.

You have to ask yourself, why did I buy it in the first place, given all my rants about CCD vs. CMOS (and how I prefer the former)?

If you haven’t already done so, please consider signing my open letter to Leica.

Prosophos Open Letter to Leica

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Q&A: Kerwin asks about the M9 in low light, M240.

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M9 in low light, M240

“Hi Peter,

I love your site and the pictures that you post.  They are a great inspiration for me to get better at being a photographer.  I follow your blog and have been very curious about the M240 and M9 debate, or the CMOS and CCD sensor battle.  I have an M9 and have been thinking about moving into the M240.  Mind you I have only been shooting Leica for about a year now.  But when I see your images and read about what you have to say about the CCD.  Then I don’t want to get the M240 anymore.  Part of the reason why I would like to get the M240 is to be able to use the higher ISO for when shooting at lower light situations.  Anyway, I’m still holding on to the M9.  Any tips on what to do when shooting in lower light with the M9?

Keep up the great work!

Cheers,
Kerwin”

Hello Kerwin,

First of all, thank you so much for your nice comments.

Now, to address your questions, which are all excellent…

Yes, I’ve always believed, and continue to believe, that CCD sensor cameras produce images at base ISO that are more pleasing than CMOS sensor cameras.  However, in low light, CCD sensors struggle relative to their CMOS counterparts.

The introduction of the Leica Monochrom did much to close the performance gap, but of course you’re limited to B&W photography when using this camera.

Quite simply then, if you wish to continue to photograph in low light situations using an M9, you need fast (aperture) lenses, like the Summilux (f/1.4) or even Noctilux (f/1 or f/0.95) lenses.  If your subjects are relatively still, then of course a steady hand and slow shutter speed are very useful (as are monopods and tripods, but most of us who shoot rangefinders do not make use of such additional equipment).

It’s also critical to expose properly with the M9 when shooting in dark environments, especially when employing high ISO.  This can be a problem, since I rarely feel comfortable shooting above ISO 1250 with this camera.  Others limit their maximum ISO to 640 and then “push” the exposure up during image post-processing.  I do this frequently.

I said above that your questions are excellent, which is very true.  It turns out, however, that your questions are timely too…

I have decided to purchase an M240.

I know I will be sacrificing low ISO image quality, in the form of the “crispness” I currently see in my images, but I am willing to give the M240 a try.

Why?

Most of the time, the light in Toronto is poor, as the winters here are long and dark.  Having a camera that can comfortably shoot above ISO 1250 has increasingly become a priority for me.

And, after selling off most of my equipment over the last few days, I’ve decided I don’t want a Nikon D800, or Sony A7/A7R, or an Olympus E-M1, or Fuji X-E2.

No folks, I still want a digital rangefinder (please see the previous post, Rangefinder Cameras)

And as far as digital rangefinders go, there’s still only one game in town.

—Peter.

Ongoing Poll: Should Leica bring back the CCD sensor?

Inspiration, Q&A, Teaching point

The longest running CCD poll :), asking whether a brand new CCD sensor should reappear in a future Leica M camera, is still running…

Why am I continuing this?

Because I love the rendering of CCD sensors!  The Leica M9 is like a portable digital mini-medium format camera.

At the very least, CCD sensors offer us photographers an alternative choice.

I’ve noticed a few notable individuals who were initially very enthusiastic about the Leica M240 (CMOS sensor camera) have now changed their tune and are subtly conceding that the M9 image quality at low ISO is superior.

So far, I have just over 400 votes…

—Peter.

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Relaxed (Nikkor-NOCT meets M9).

Inspiration, Nikon, Nikon 58mm f/1.2 NOCT, Portrait, Q&A, Teaching point

I thought this might be a fun follow-up to yesterday’s post.

A few years ago, I attached the Nikkor-NOCT 58/1.2 to the Leica M9, via a Novoflex adapter, and took this image.

Focusing involved guessing, because of course the Nikkor-NOCT is not rangefinder coupled.

Relaxed

↑Leica M9 + Novoflex adapter + Nikkor-Noct 58/1.2 @ f/1.2.

Here is another test shot:

M9 + Nikkor-NOCT↑Leica M9 + Novoflex adapter + Nikkor-Noct 58/1.2 @ f/1.2.

As can be appreciated in the second image, one of the nice things about the Nikkor-NOCT is its near focus ability,

—Peter.

Sony A7 and A7R.

Inspiration, Q&A, Teaching point

Prosophos Sony A7

I once wrote:

The first manufacturer, other than Leica, who places a 24 x 36 sensor in a mirrorless interchangeable lens camera can count me in as a customer.  I have no doubt that at some point, somebody will do it.

However, the insanely loud shutter on the A7/A7R is a deal-breaker for me.  You can listen to it in this field test video (courtesy The Camera Store) at approximately 5:22 into the video.

The EVF is already dated too.

Too bad.

Still, you have to give Sony credit for shaking the industry.

—Peter.