Sony A7 and A7R.

Inspiration, Q&A, Teaching point

Prosophos Sony A7

I once wrote:

The first manufacturer, other than Leica, who places a 24 x 36 sensor in a mirrorless interchangeable lens camera can count me in as a customer.  I have no doubt that at some point, somebody will do it.

However, the insanely loud shutter on the A7/A7R is a deal-breaker for me.  You can listen to it in this field test video (courtesy The Camera Store) at approximately 5:22 into the video.

The EVF is already dated too.

Too bad.

Still, you have to give Sony credit for shaking the industry.

—Peter.

21 thoughts on “Sony A7 and A7R.

  1. I wanted to like this

    I really did

    but it’s not appealing to me for a few reasons

    -the sony glass they offer with the A7/r isn’t inspiring. it’s slow and big.
    -i’ve heard mixed things about using an adapter to connect Leica glass to non Leica bodies (see Ming’s post today on the subject)
    -i would rather shoot with a rangefinder than an autofocus system. if i need a full frame autofocus system, i use a dslr

    I’m actually more intrigued about buying an Olympus em5 or em1 and connect it with some of their fast primes (12/2 and 45/1.8). Some of the images I’ve seen are quite lovely.

    http://jonathanfleming.wordpress.com/2012/07/22/life-with-the-om-d/

    I really hope Leica doesn’t try to copy this with a future digital M. I don’t want video, autofocus, live peaking, etc. Give me a M9 or M240 in a M6 body and I will be beyond thrilled.

    1. i would rather shoot with a rangefinder than an autofocus system

      That’s my problem/preference too.

      It seems everybody is clamouring for AF and EVF though. The rangefinder is being labelled as somehow not relevant, and even “unreliable”. I suspect it shall go the way of the dinosaurs, if Leica abandons it. And I agree, if they do, they will be trounced by the gee-whiz-gizmo-giants.

      Peter.

  2. Yes, Leica would have a difficult time competing on Sony, Canon et al turf. But what’s interesting is the resurgence of interest in old manual lenses. Perhaps it’s only because those lenses can be had for next to nothing but I would like to think there’s more, like the re-discovery of having control over the camera, a kind of back to basics thing.

  3. Very interesting development indeed. Overall I think on the surface I can see why it is very appealing to a lot of people. However it’ll be a sit back and see for a month or two and hear what bugs/gripes might come out from users for me.

    The shutter is very disappointing particularly if doing candid photography, which is a style/approach I assume a lot of people reading your site Peter prefer.

    As for Leica….they have a niche (Digital RF) which is a very high margin (I’d hope it is!!) product…….just hope they get the inside of their cameras right for the future and if so they’ll hold onto their followers.

    As for me….MM is staying put!

      1. Yes contemplating….that said I really do love the MM. Still tossing up a colour option. This camera is still an option given it’s price point.

        What deters me though is the nature of their menus and some features. It’s when a camera turns from camera to computer, that I dislike. One feature I think is very useful is focus peaking, however they all seem to default to a magnified aspect and to me takes away from the experience of composing and focusing.

        BTW I’ll send some photos over this weekend!

        1. If you recall, the “camera as computer” implementation is one of the things that really bothered me about the Sony RX1R. This particular shortcoming is the Achilles’ heel of most of the cameras I handle these days.

          I look forward to seeing your images Andy!

  4. Reviews say the EVF is same as Olympus E-M1, which is very recent and much-praised there and in the EVF-4 version used with the Pens. Just saying….

  5. I’ve just bought a secondhand MM to go with my M9 and MP. I’m very fortunate, but this has no appeal whatsoever. Don’t really know why, but it’s ugly and just not my thing. I still like optical viewfinders and would rather shoot an rf, slr or GX1 with a clip on than one of these. That also protects me from the GX7 I think – but not the GF670… now there’s a camera:)

    1. …Agreed. The GF670 is a “real man’s” (or woman’s :D) camera…I certainly won’t try to stop you from buying one! (I am currently obsessed with one, and have a bunch of shots on my site…) I tried long and hard to get Peter to bite…

      🙂

      -M.

      1. Hi Mark, I actually have had a long interest in the GF670 but two things about your experience put me off getting one: (1) you experienced quality control issues with your copy, (2) I seemed to gravitate more towards your Zeiss Ikon (35 mm) images, for whatever reason.

        —Peter.

  6. Interesting from a technology perspective, but I still think my M9 is the pinnacle of bodies…for my needs/wants at least. The lack of ‘gizmos’ keeps me connected to my subject, and that’s what’s most important to me in my photography. If I don’t have that connection, the images show it. All those ‘features’ tend to get in my way. 🙂

  7. Interesting on this camera, 2 respected blogs, Mr Huff loves it allready and Mr Thein is skeptical. Your going to have to borrow one and give us a balance.

    1. Well, I should probably try one, and be true to my promise from last year. It’s just that the RX1R left me cold (ergonomically, as a camera, not in its image quality), and so I don’t want to fall into that trap again.

      —Peter.

  8. I don’t usually comment on gear, but two thoughts on this: first, with “native” lenses, this small, relatively light camera will be quite unbalanced with things like the customary 24-70/2.8 zoom and with M lenses the light scatter needed to cover the full frame sensor from the short flange to sensor distance of these bodies (and DRF’s) causes multiple issues at the edges of the frame that Leica handle with special angled microlenses and software, concerning which (as yet, anyway) nobody knows anything with these Sony’s; second, the 36 mp AA filterless 7r will present the same difficulties the D800E does with lens quality, shot discipline/technique, and associated computer processing and storage.

    In short, the form factor wants to be shot hand held moving quickly but native lenses will tend to be clumsy and small quick lenses will present potential IQ concerns and with the 7r at least the sensor wants to be shot from a braced platform with serious care in order to realize its full potential. That’s not to say a 50 lux on the A7 won’t be a delightful (if a bit noisy) combination.

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